Synopsis

An audio recording (thanks to Regina) of an NS gathering at David's house, around an outside fire, on July 4th. Pierre and Eldar discuss greater and greater wholes, until the dialogue itself causes Eldar to enter into an experience of Mind (around 0:47:00 or so) so intense that he passes out (or IN!) and can no longer participate. (A discussion of his state is taken up two days later at our Saturday gathering.). Later, Bradley, Regina, JeffL, Barbara, and Jed participate.

Highlights

• Wholes of wholes
• Soul as the triplet of internal desire, external desire, and reflection
• Truth as an aspect of the whole-of-wholes (reality, brilliant-light-of-being, etc.), or as an aspect of it. Above, below?
• Demiurgoses and creations
• Creation as an art
• True believers (Christian, Jewish, Muslim) blocked from Mind by their belief
• Tertullian: Belief (based on some kind of evidence) vs the better word, “faith” (a belief which has no evidence and is by definition unarguable nor can evidence be supplied in support of it: i.e., an impossible or irrational belief)

Transcript

JulieH has made a transcript of this evening's talk. It is available on this page, in the Download Options menu, in both EPUB and PDF formats. Thank you, Julie!

Technical Issues

I was not there with good equipment that night. This was an outside gathering using a smaller personal recorder of Regina's which was not always within close range of Pierre's mouth during many loud fireworks. Some of the first hour of conversation is lost because of these factors. I could only bump up the volume a little bit in editing. Good headphones will help you catch more of the dialogue. Somewhere just after the 1st hour, everyone moves inside, which makes the dialogue easier to follow from that point on. Otherwise, I removed nothing from Regina's recording, so there will be about 10 minutes around the 1st hour, before everyone moves inside, where Pierre goes in for a beer, and not a whole lot of significant philosophical conversation takes place.

Original Location

https://archive.org/details/20190704NSSPE

Usage License

CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License

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More Info

• Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery
• The Noetic Society
• The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.

Image “galaxy-wallpaper-7” courtesy of Flickr user YangTS under a Creative Commons Attribution NonCommercial ShareAlike 2.0 license when downloaded on 2019-07-20.

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